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More reaction to California Dream Act from KPCC listeners

Photo by Leslie Berestein Rojas/KPCC

A student activist's t-shirt, March 2011

Last Friday I joined guest host David Lazarus of the Los Angeles Times on KPCC’s AirTalk to discuss the California Dream Act, a package of two bills that would make it easier for undocumented college students to pay tuition.

One bill, AB 130, grants these students access to privately funded scholarships and was recently signed into law by Gov. Jerry Brown. A second, more controversial and costlier measure known as AB 131 that would enable them to access state-funded tuition aid, like other students, is expected to reach the Senate floor for a vote this week. If approved by legislators, Brown is likely to sign it.

During the segment, David (filling in for Larry Mantle) and I listened to several callers’ comments and answered their questions. But the comments and questions didn’t end there. The segment generated dozens of comments posted to the show’s website. Here are just a few of the thoughts shared by AirTalk listeners, unedited:

Pat wrote:

I simply don’t get it. We’re strapped for cash and current students have difficulty obtaining monies for school. I can empathize with the illegal students plight, but simply cannot afford this now. Governor Brown will lose my vote if he signs the bill.

Viet Nguyen wrote:

I’m very torn about this. I believe we need to continue America’s great advantage: attracting intellectual talent from around the world. Talent is talent and the state and country should do what they can to keep it. However, I feel that we can do this legally with legal immigrants. There are those waiting to get into the country who are circumvented with a program like this.

Dg wrote:

I’m so sympathetic with kids who are not here legally due to no fault of their own, but I agree with the logic that says we cannot make provision in law for people whose very presence here reflects disregard for very important laws. If the “pro immigrant side” sounded more respectful of our need to control our borders, it would actually help their position. Would the pro immigrant side expel ANY unlawful immigrants?

Shawn wrote:

Strongly support AB131. I’m not from a family of recent immigrants, but it’s the vibrant contribution of immigrants that have driven the California tech economy. The people are here, if we deprive them from being the best they can be, we deprive California from being the economic power house it can be. Note that everyone pays California taxes, regardless of their legal status.

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From KPCC’s AirTalk: Would you ‘come out’ if you were in Jose Antonio Vargas’ shoes?

A growing movement among undocumented college students that involves “coming out” with their immigration status has now inspired the same from a well-known journalist, Pulitzer winner Jose Antonio Vargas. His confession that he is undocumented, published yesterday in the New York Times Magazine, has drawn intense reaction while attaching a white-collar identity to the debate over illegal immigration.

A segment on today’s AirTalk show, hosted by the Los Angeles Times’ David Lazarus (filling in for Larry Mantle), took up the Vargas story along with the broader coming-out movement. I joined David and other guests to talk about the movement, the risks involved in going public, and the proposed federal legislation known as the Dream Act, which would grant conditional legal status to qualifying youths brought here before age 16 if they go to college or join the military.

It would apply to young people who were brought here as Vargas was, flown to the United States from the Philippines when he was 12 years old.

Among the guests were Marco Castillo, a graphic designer from San Diego who as a young professional five years ago decided to go public with his undocumented status as part of a religious campaign (and who is now working toward a green card); Nancy Meza, a recent graduate of UCLA who has been active in local efforts to lobby for the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act; and David Leopold, an immigration attorney based in Cleveland and former president of the American Immigration Lawyers’ Association.

Leopold was interviewed for a piece yesterday in The Atlantic that detailed the many risks that Vargas, a former Washington Post reporter, has subjected himself to by “coming out.”

The audio, replete with callers’ questions and comments, can be downloaded here.

A few of the questions that were featured on the AirTalk website:

Is Vargas’ high-profile “coming out” the beginning of a new immigration reform movement?

Would you have “come out” if you were in Vargas’ shoes?

What do you think should happen to him and people in a similar position?

The roar of the Tiger Mother

Screen shot from tigermomsays.tumblr.com

This has been the week of the Tiger Mother, and it’s not over yet. Since last weekend, when the Wall Street Journal published an essay by author and Yale law professor Amy Chua titled “Why Chinese Mothers are Superior,” Chua has become perhaps the most notorious parent in America, setting off a firestorm of controversy over the parenting techniques she described in the essay and in her memoir, “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother.”

It’s not suprising given some of the content: Among other things, Chua described a parenting regimen that deprived her two daughters of play dates, sleepovers, television and computer games in favor of piano and violin practice, along with incidents like once calling one of the girls “garbage” and rejecting the children’s homemade birthday cards.

After receiving what she described as “hundreds, hundreds” of e-mails and even death threats, Chua defended herself in an interview with The New York Times that ran this weekend, explaining that her sense of irony and self-mockery was misunderstood. In the meantime, a series of spoof sites have emerged, from an alternately hilarious and painful to watch animated video to a “Tiger Mom Says” Tumblr.

Beyond Chua’s story, though, is the greater conversation that the Tiger Mother controversy has led to. Various explorations of Asian-style parenting (and whether Chua, a second-generation Chinese American, presents an accurate example) versus Western-style parenting have appeared in countless articles and, most interestingly, in the comments sections of just about every piece that has run on the subject since Chua’s Wall Street Journal essay appeared Jan. 8.

On Friday, KPCC’s Patt Morrison interviewed a parenting expert about the controversy, drawing a string of opinionated callers and many more to post comments online. Several were Asian Americans who weighed in with their own experiences, some of whom defended the thinking that goes into the sort of tough love parenting espoused by Chua, even if they weren’t a hundred percent behind it. A sample:

From Lou:

As an Asian-American, I’ve seen plenty of kids raised in this manner. Yes, they are very book smart and talented at playing piano but at the cost of no personality, no creativity, and most likely emotional damage.

I’ve known plenty of Asian kids who can play Mozart and Bach beautifully but wouldn’t know where to start if asked to create a piece on their own.

And sadly, that birthday card story may sound harsh to people, but I can totally understand it.

We need to take this into consideration when the pols keep comparing us to other countries. We don’t want to produce robots. And not all Asians support this way of parenting. There is a large percentage of Asians who feel Asian education produces robots and send their kids overseas to get a Western education.

But that is not to say Western parenting is better. All this coddling has led to an entire genration elongating adolescence into their 30s.

Like everything, there’s probably a happy medium.

From JC:

I’m Chinese. When I was in high school and my report card showed all A’s but one B, my mother would only focus on “why did you get the B”, I would here about it until I get an A in that class. The rest of the A’s I recieved was not mentioned of or praised. But I understood that means she approved of it. It didn’t hurt my self esteem. It pushes me to work harder.

From May:

The goals in parenting seem different. As a Chinese American I can see both sides. Generally speaking, as primary goals, Asian parents want a successful future for their children that can lead to happiness. American parents want happiness for their children that can lead them to success.

And from Lori, of “Danish and German descent:”

I think the success of this apprach depends on the personality of the child, as well! I am 48, and of Danish and German descent. In my home, anything less than first place, first chair in orchestra, president of student council, or an A was absolutely UNacceptable. Even when we excelled, my father would gives us “notes” on how we could still have “improved” on what we had done. The message I took away from my family was that I could NEVER be good enough.

My older sister is a wildly successful physician. However, although I graduated college with a 3.95 GPA, I have been marginally employed and have struggled with self-esteem issues my entire life.

I was the cub that the tiger would have eaten…

One thing I may have missed is comments on Latina mothers (Jaguar Mothers?) like my own, a tough cookie who taught me to speak my mind, yet never to be punctual.

Amy Chua is scheduled to be a guest on this morning’s AirTalk with Larry Mantle.