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This is a common misconception. There may be private
scholarships/grants involved, but AB 130 also includes Board of
Governors (BOG) Fee Waiver, and Institutional Student Aid: Student aid
program administered by the attending college or university (i.e. State
University Grant, UC Grant).

I’m just setting the facts straight
as the rhetoric leans towards this being NOT using PUBLIC FUNDS, while,
in fact, it does. This comes directly from CA Assemblyman Gilbert
Cedillo’s DREAM Act memos:

http://as.ucsd.edu/council​-old/act_attachments/Attac​hment%20120110216181738.pd​fAnd
as for AB 131 only being assigned to ILLEGAL ALIENS after US citizens
are handled is misleading. Lori Nehzurah, Governmental Relations staff
of the California Student Aid Commission, has been misquoted in
perpetuating in this matter: EGPnews.com”On behalf of the
California Student Aid Commission, I am requesting a correction to a
quote attributed to me, Lori Nezhura, Legislative Director for the
California Student Aid Commission, in the “Trying to Keep the Dream
Alive” article posted on July 14, 2011.It is imperative that
your readers be informed that the number of High School Entitlement Cal
Grants and Transfer Entitlement Cal Grants are unlimited and available
to all students meeting financial need, GPA, and other eligibility
criteria. Therefore, if passed, Dream Act students will be able to
receive these awards if they meet the same requirements.Conversely,
the number of Competitive Cal Grants is limited. However, the bill
stipulates that Dream Act students may only receive one of these awards
provided funds remain after all eligible non-AB 540 California residents
are awarded. Since approximately only 1 in 10 eligible applicants
currently receive a Competitive Cal Grant, it is likely that there will
be no fiscal impact to the State with respect to this particular
program.”So, where is this money supposed to come from?

Here you go – details of both bills (fee waiver, etc. is in AB 131) :

AB 131: http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_131/20112012/
AB 130: http://www.aroundthecapitol.com/Bills/AB_130/20112012/ 

“qualify for in-state tuition under California law”
So they qualify for “in-state” tuition, even if they had to sneak to get in-state? Have we lost our minds? By what theory, legal. moral,  or otherwise, should we afford the rights of citizenship to those who snuck into our country uninvited? I honestly think we’ve simply gone stupid as a society.

“uninvited” did you have a choice on where you were born or where you grew up? I think not. So technically you are uninvited here too.

no its not that at all. some people weren’t asked to come to this country they were forced and just want there dreams to come true. Because they US is all they know.

I am now voting Republican on every issue and candidate so that this can be repealed and deportations en masse may start.  We have allowed ourselves to be inundated with ILLEGAL ALIENS who take our jobs, ruined our education system by catering to them, and now, have pushed out LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and US CITIZENS from receiving their entitled share of these monies.  If AB 131 passes and gets signed, I fear that many people will not wait until the next election to rectify this self-hatred californians seem to have for themselves and their own children.

I don’t need to be invited. I am a citizen. This is MY house.

So they are victims?

I’m disgusted. While I am a firm advocate of education, if these students cannot obtain legal employment, then they will not be required to add to the tax base in our state, nor will they be required to pay taxes to the IRS. We pay taxes so that we can live in a safe society. I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for these students, or their families. Once these people reach their majority at age 18, they are welcome to take advantage of the legal system, and if they know American history from being educated and might I add fed (through welfare that they received for free because their parents don’t pay into the tax base either, and are likely living at or below the poverty level-the “better life” they wanted for themselves and their children by coming here in the first place) they can go and take the oath to become a legal American.While they may not be at fault for arriving here, as it was their parents’ decision, then those children who grow up here should take the necessary steps to remain here legally, and then begin paying back what they were given- a free and appropriate education K-12.  THEN and ONLY then should they be allowed to have access to monies that were earned and donated BY AMERICANS FOR AMERICANS to attend college. As a causasian person in the ”majority” I was denied many ascholarship because I am not a minority. This law is unfair and unconstitutional.  

whomever benefits from this act is only attempting to be a responsible member of our society. every man has the right to the pursuit of happiness. 
bobeast, you should be mad at the CITIZENS of this country who live off welfare.  

they have not taken your jobs and the education system remains the same. except now, there will be more diplomas handed out at graduations.

I’m sorry, are you native american???
But that’s another point. My point is… As a child you do not choose where to live so why do you continue to hate on those who were brought here as children? 

Why you want this person to be mad at those who need help from wellfare? SNAP(Foodstamps) helps needy families! Manny if you try redirect this persons anger at the poor people of this country then the politics of the far right have already defeated you. We must work together not against each other.

There is no way for undocumented students to become legal citizens. A person who came to this country on a visa can get married and become a legal permanent resident but for those who were brought through without a visa there is no path to become a legal citizen. I doubt very much that you were denied a scholarship due to you not being a minority…maybe you should be more active in underserved communities or earned a higher grade point average. Please direct your anger at our politicians who refuse to tax families making more than 250k a year. If your family lies in this tax bracket, then you never needed the scholarship money in the first place!

California is offically Mexifornia, so now american children have to compete with these foreign invaders for tuition costs. These Children are not to blame!! Only there criminal parents are who brought them here did not do any favors for them. Schools, State Governments spend millions of our tax dollars on printing books and pamphlets in spanish and not english.. When i go to mexico, nobody there speaks english to me. I need to conform to there lifestyle and culture as a guest. Here in California its all handouts. No requirements for them to learn english and assimilate to american culture and customs. Enough is Enough. If you follow the law of the land and enter this country legally, then welcome. I do not support Criminal behavior nor would i be treated nicely if I hopped the border to enter mexico illegally. Common Sense Folks! 

First off, what have illegal immigrants done to you?? What if these children came here with papers that were processed tho incidents happened. I can’t believe you’re calling California “self-hatred” when you yourself are being selfish. What’s wrong with allowing more students to graduate and have an opportunity? Why is it that Americans always think of themselves. America is the land of opportunity. You can’t claim it as your own. 

progress has never been collective, it has always been based on an individuals efforts. so when theres a collective effort to keep individuals from further progression eventually the aggression from the ill minded will stop. the reason for this is logical, time. 70 years ago “americans” were treating black like slave invaders. they couldnt even sit in the same restaurant with whites. and look at them now, we have a black president. . so i guess i see the concern for such change. close minded masses please keep harassing us (minorities) because you wont have much longer to do so. enjoy yourselfs

Why are people so stereotypical? I came here on a visa, I am ranked number 2 on my school, I work and have donated part of my money to charity..many legal citizens dont do anything..fair trade!

This just shows how ignorant you are!!! bobeast if you really consider yourself an american why are you so closed minded? Why dont you take advantage of the academic institutions that we have here in the U.S. to open your mind? 

Your mention of Blacks, 70 years ago or a black president today, doesn’t apply here.  Those Blacks were BORN in the US, not immigrants in any sense.  And the Constitution REQUIRES a President to be Born in the US.
I HAVE seen articles showing some horrible situations in Mexico; but I also have Mexican neighbors who immigrated Legally and living successful lives here, so don’t view us as intolerant.  Come LEGALLY, you’ll be welcomed.

Wow your stupid. If your going to speak publicly please check your facts. In the state of  California there are THOUSANDS of undocumented people paying taxes, and they DO pay taxes. Because unlike you, they don’t get all types of deductions and credits and so therefore they don’t get any refunds, they always have to pay. Unlike most other Americans who not only do not PAY any taxes but rather receive a refund. The fact that someones does not have a SSN doesn’t mean they’re not required to file taxes. Second checks your stats again, most people on welfare are neither Hispanics nor undocumented people. Much less college students. 
Although I agree with you, people should strive to better their legal situation, they shouldn’t remain  here illegally. If they are good members of the community contributing to the economy I think they best alternative is to help them legalize. I am even OK with the govt. giving them small manageable fines for breaking the law. But i don’t believe they need to pay ANYTHING back, since, and trust me, they can’t really take anything they don’t really deserve, for the most part. And lets remember, we’re talking about students who want to better themselves, not cheat the govt. And I think its ridiculous to give some people $$ cover their tuition, books, fees, and on top of that give them ‘spending’ $$ while other students get nothing, simply because of their legal status. Lastly I was lucky to be born here with Mexican parents, the double nationality is great, but there are more than enough scholarships and grants out there for everybody, and they reason your not getting them is not because your not a minority. The reason your not getting them is because your obviously an idiot, who doesn’t deserve the $$ since your not smart enough to even do some research much less analyze a situation. 

Carlos,
It isn’t polite to call someone stupid.  Be nice, just because someone writes something you don’t like or agree with doesn’t mean you call them stupid.  I KNOW your mother taught you better.   Help me understand, why or how an illegal alien would pay taxes?  If they don’t have a SSN, how would they file or submit a return.  Also, if someone isn’t getting a refund and they are illegal, why would they file.  Remember, I am not stupid, I am just trying to understand.  If they are good members of the community, why aren’t taking the time to become US  citizens.  Lastly, you were born in the US.  Your nationality is American.  Claim it sweetie.  Your culture, and it is rich, is Mexican or Chicano. 

Remember play nice!

may we remind you that in all honesty Mexicans once were natural legally born citizens of america. most of these students had no choice coming here, their parents smuggled them illegally; and theyre just trying to live their life as best as they can. For some of us illegal immigrants, going back to mexico would pretty much be signing a death sentence especially where there are so many narcotics

Uh, yea, they have taken my jobs in construction, landscaping and from friends who do housecleaning.  They work for far less, act like slaves and ruin the work environment for everyone.  The education system in California ranks 48th.  ILLEGAL ALIENS dumb down our system.  More diplomas may be handed out but for what:  Ethnic, Chicano, Hispanic, Community studies???? and with what job, that they can’t get because they’re ILLEGAL, would you use those for?  And yes, Californians are self-hating for allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS to get this money that they are not entitled to and for pushing out US citizens and LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.  Go ahead now, call me stupid, racist, etc. because that is what they teach you in LA RAZA, the most homophobic, racist, US hating organization–it’s the Hispanic Ku Klux Klan.

Okay you don’t get it. You have never been on the other side. It is not their fault that they are smarter than you people. If you were denied scholarships and grants, it is cuz you did not work hard enough. Don’t blame it on anyone else, that just shows how much of a loser you are. I would like to see you have no other choice than live in a country where you are not welcomed, I bet your answer would change, so SHUT UP. You think you are so educated and deserving, but you probably do not even contribute at all to this nation. 

America Is the Land of opportunity, so if ya want some, become Legal…..Pretty simple. LEGAL!

What can be done to STOP this. RIDICULOUS is just one word for this so called Dream Act.

JSB, 
You are right. I do apologize for being rude. I will admit the only thing that got me heated was the fact that sometimes unfortunately sometimes WE make statements without any kinda of backing and often times their wrong. But I am sorry Jennifer Luchsinger for the name calling.
JSB It is in many ways very beneficial for undocumented people to pay 
taxes. Many of them only do it because they want to ‘be ok with the 
govt’. Others do it because they are in the process of obtaining legal 
papers, however this process can be very lengthy. For example, it took
some of my family members 15+ years in order to get their residency. 
Other people do taxes because they are required to. They can be 
working with illegal papers and receive W-2 which that they have to 
report. Others receive a form calle 1099 which is the form some 
people receive when they get paid cash. Another reason to pay taxes
is to get a ITIN number (individual taxpayer identification number)
which is what they use to file taxes they way you would use your ssn. 
With this ITIN people can get bank accnts and do other small stuff like 
buying houses or starting a business. Of course laws change very often
I not sure you can buy a house with an ITIN anymore, but 5+ years ago
you still could. With an ITIN number students can apply to go to college 
and fall within the boundaries of the AB540 which allows non-resident 
CA students to pay in-state tuition rather than out of state. 
you can learn more about ITIN’s here http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html 
or feel free to ask me. I know im young but I do this for a living, and im usually not so rude. 
on the contrary, hopefully this will encourage a more productive public discussion. 

They dont have a social just a number the gop uses to tax them. And you have to be one of the biggest  condescending asses I’ve ever run across. Telling someone to be polite while you call human beings illegal aliens is pathetic. Illegal people are not illegal not in a country that stole all its land. American isnt a title only for U.S. citizen. Americans can be found in two continets, in other words the title of American is technically like saying “I’m European” or is the title of Europen exclusive to only the british. You see America is two continents. Therefore the people that make up these two continets are also american.

First of all it was the Europeans that came here illegally, illegally took land from all native pop of the americas. Secondly if it wasnt for the Europen that created the issue of illegal and immigration. Majority hahaha not anymore. Latinos are the new “minority majority”. Stop feeling sorry for yourself, if you really wanted an education you should work and pay for school like so many of us minority peopel do.

The IRS does not care about citizenship, they care about collecting taxes.  Undocumented workers are as afraid of the IRS as most citizens.  If they don’t have a valid social security number they apply for a tax number and pay their taxes.  Another thing is that everyone who works has to have social security withheld and the employer has to contribute an equal amount.  Undocumented workers using false papers pay social security but will never be able to receive benefits.  If you think social security is broke now, how would it be without the millions who pay but can never receive.  Grandpa is not only eating cheap food because they picked it but they’re paying for it too.  

I am sorry that you watch too much tv and think that it is reality and not just opinion. G. Beck has all of you who take his show for real news brainwashed into believing that all of the Latino people into the country believe in some sort of one size fits all ideology. Please explain LA RAZA and what they teach us so I can understand what you think is going on here. Please tell us where we can learn this LA RAZA you are talking about. Please pick up a book that is written with documented facts instead of subscribing to something you hear on tv.

Move out of California. The representatives are elected by the people and they are finally woking for the people here in California.

You mean they should be forced into the country like we treated the African people and then give them rights….oh wait..they didn’t even do that!

These days you don’t immigrate “legally”, you “buy” you’re way in because the only people they allow in our individuals who have money and are wealthy which (just for you!) are “COINCIDENTLY” less likely to be POC, lower-socioeconomic people from Africa, Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Southeast Asia/Pacific Islands.

I don’t call people ignorant and insult them personally because they happen to have a different point of view. Exactly whose mind is closed here?

Well, it did used to be Mexico, so let’s just say we’re going back to our roots!

CITIZENS are pretty far down my list of people to be mad at.

Actually, Yes I am. Thanks for asking.

I don’t recall saying I hated anyone, do you? The question at hand is whether they should enjoy the rights of citizenship when they are in fact, not citizens. If you wish to take someone to task, then “hate on” their parents, who snuck them in knowing full well, that doing so did not automatically grant them the full rights of citizenship.

Yeah. thats what I mean…how absurd.

Why are some people in the comment section acting live all native born citizens deserve these rights? I’m from the mid-west and I went to very white washed college and let me tell you when you see a girl who get’s all the opportunity in the world to do what she wants and squanders it and gets kicked out of college because she can’t stop drinking and smoking pot long enough to take a test and then you see an illegal immigrant working there butt off studying to be better and not able to do anything past what the law lets them then that’s just sad. What ever happened to the pursuit of happiness all of us as individuals are in charge of our own destiny I think that these illegal immigrants brought here as children deserve a chance to at least become legal and become a part of society and try to improve it. 

The fact that you have such a narrow mind impairs me to speak vulgarly. We did not all sneak into this country Some of us were brought before we had the intelligence to know what was going on. its fair to say we who  were brought as infnts have the right to be legalized.

Umm excuse me illegal immigrants contribute to this country too they too pay taxes and they too work for those Spanish printed books you talk about we actually help this country much more than you think we do the jobs you don’t wan to do. so don’t play the victim or the oh i don’t condone crime because American citizens who own big companies take their business to Mexico because its cheaper labor pay and they actually exploit children making them work. Get your facts straight 

Chicana, I am not trying to be rude, I am trying to be informed.  But thanks for being so understanding and the name calling is NICE. You too, can learn to be polite.  Did your mother and father didn’t teach you that?  If they did not then I completely understand your limited response.  Let me ask you this? Can you have a conversation with someone that doesn’t hold the same views as you without calling them names?  If you feel that I was being condescending “ass” as you say, well that is your issue in feeling shall I say inferior?   In regards to my response to Carlos, who clearly understood what I was asking and was quick to recognize that he was not being polite, was man enough to admit it. (Thanks Carlos for your response, BTW.  It was very informative. I found it helpful when discussing this with friends.)
Chicana, I am trying to understand the situation rather than passing judgment which you have done.  So thanks for proving a point about how a few (not all) in the Chicano population are not willing to “be quick to listen and slow to open their mouth.” Oh I am sorry, you said European. 
And to answer your question if you state that you are European, I DON’T think that the definition is limited to those that are British.  I understand that there are other countries in Europe.   
In the history books of the US, which I could go into long diatribe but not going to, the US didn’t steal.  Okay maybe we did, but it was a war and men are mean, but it was a long time ago, and all the people that were living in those territories became citizens.  So stop crying. You sound as ignorant as those in the South who are still upset over the outcome Civil War, or “The War of Northern Aggression”.     Okay, that was mean, sorry.
Lastly, if there are people who are here ILLEGALLY are those that have crossed the US Border illegally.  (Whether it is the Northern Border -that’s Canada in case you are confused, flew over from Asia, or your beloved Europe, or even from the South.  It is considered Illegal Immigration.  That is how the United States government calls it.  You can sugar coat it all you want, that is what it is. 
I can tell that this topic burns you up as I read some of your replies below.  But remember the best way to get someone to understand your point, is to not insult them but try to understand their point of view.  Maybe they will try to understand yours. 
“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him”
 

You are ranked number 2 on your school? Hmm might need to retake english.

Thank you bobeast!!!!  Lets see, undocumented according to good ol’ Web.. means “not supported by documentary evidence”  and illegal means, “contrary to or forbidden by official rules”    So in short, FOLLOW THE RULES!’

Because you are a citizen of the United States of America you have no clue of how difficult it is to become a legal resident. As an illegal immigrant which whom the Dream act would apply to I have grown up here since I was three and have realized many things. I have applied for my green card and have been waiting for 11 years now and still have gotten no news about my place in line. What mainly boggles my mind is how you ignorant americans and politicians expect us illegals waiting for our green card to live if we can’t legally work, drive, or live meanwhile being forced to wait for decades for this damned card? I love america but how does that make any sense? I am forced to live illegally while i wait for to turn while you people call us dirty names and give us a look. How can i live here which i call my home now have been for 20 yrs. Comfortably? I cant wait for the day when i get it so i can finally enjoy the things and activities that you americans take for granted. The basic necessities to live. How does it make me feel when i see many citizens slack off and drink themselves crazy using your tax dollars while i struggle to pay for my school? I work , i have an associates degree, and i pay taxes what more do you want?

All i gt to say is fuck da system. we got here illegally n thats why we are savages. We can still out number u americans. fuck da system n forever live illegal immigration. we dnt die we multiply!!

This is exactly what Pres. Obama wants, he wants more states to pass the Dream Act so it will become nationwide, thus the Dream Act. One must ask, where does this so called “private” funding receive their funds? They receive Government grants,which ultimately come from our pocket book in the form of taxes.

The Dream Act is not a dream but a nightmare. There is NOT one country on this earth except this country that rolls out the red carpet and gives free education to illegals. This act is beyond stupidity. Gov. Brown approved the state version, but is welling to cut care for American citizens and the elderly just so that illegals can obtain education. What the HELL happened to providing for AMERICAN CITIZENS??? Has this country gone crazy?

I hope all those American parents out there with low to moderate income must rally against this absurd Dream Act for the sake of their child’s education. I have one question for DemoRadicals Gov. Brown and President Obama, WHY ARE YOU SACRIFICING OUR CHILDREN’S EDUCATION for those who are ILLEGALLY HERE. Jesus H. Christ, what the hell is wrong with you people!!

Signed: PISSED OFF AMERICAN

I just read most of what everyone wrote. One thing that I see most often is “Illegals pay taxes.” If an Illegal is in this country paying taxes on wages earned, then something is very wrong. It means they have a fake social security card number period!

The only tax they are paying is when they purchase goods and services. I really want someone to come forward with hard proof of how they pay taxes other then for the goods and services they purchase. I like everyone else pay property taxes, wage tax, and taxes for goods and services.

If you are so smart why didnt you do that in your own country?…Maybe you should try to improve the place…Do you know what patriotism is?

I dont think people hate on them, however, we dont want to encourage any more people to come here and give birth and as a result we have to pay for their kids education..food ..housing….Its my money…your child.I didnt make the kid…

well is seems their parents came here from another country so they can go back to that country with their parents just as easily….in other words..2 + 2 = 4

Hey I guess we are idiots because we will pay for them to be educated here, and they can go back to their home countries and maybe pull a hugo chavez and say how terrible the US is and how we need to be overthrown….

All the illegals in my hometown and surrounding area only work for cash…they also apply for all the bebefits they can get at the taxpayers expense….argue all you want…I live here…I see it all the time..

They steal people’s identity..It happened to me and they filed taxes using my social security number…Someone from my highschool in Los Angeles must have been selling the social security numbers.  The IRS contacted me and I eventually resolved the matter.   I hope someone was deported as a result because a crime called identity theft was commited against me..

Love,
Most US citizens are well aware of the bureaucracy of the US government we are not ignorant to that.  Let me ask you this, what about those that are currently waiting in line from the country that they were born in for a green card?  I have a friend who is from Italy and is still waiting after a long period of time.  Do you feel that you should be allowed to get in front of those who have waited in front of you? What about those people who have done it legally and are awaiting a response?  Is it fair to push their green card applications aside?  It is as if you are stating because you are here you should have your application viewed or approved of first?  What happens if you are not approved?  Do you just stay here illegally?    Let’s say for example that the Dream Act is possible.  What do you suggest that the government do?  Come up with a compromise that would be suitable for all that is involved not just one side.

“illegal” as u call US…are also humans…and can not receive any aid..food stamps cash aid etc. how do i know?? because i am married to a us citizen and we were having financial issues about 3 years ago..and he went to try and apply for himself our daughter and i..and what was the first thing they did? cross out my name..why you ask? because i do not have a social so i can not receive aid..so that being said your argument about us getting aid if false..maybe for our children but then again they are us citizens…and yes they make people like me pay taxes..with the itin number…a lot of jobs we do are not paid in cash..the owners simply hire people like me knowing they are using fake socials..those socials are bought not stolen like someone had said..everything here is really messed up because obviously companies are still hiring..and they are jobs and usually us citizens do not wanna take..its just funny how you probably count yourself in that saying “JUSTICE FOR ALL” when in reality u only want justice for yourself! i was BROUGHT here when i was 9 months old, now im 21..and all i want to do is better myself as a person and help out this country that even though its harsh at times, has helped me and my family out a lot!

Excuse me, but how can an American take advantage of academic institutions when now some of the financial aid our kids are too get are being turned down and given to illegal kids. We pay taxes all our lives and my daughter lost her job, no unemployment and filed for financial aid and got denied. Well, let’s see how many illegals get it. Also my friends daughter applied last month because she lost her job and no income coming in and got turned down. Isn’t it funny that the Dream Act just got signed by our stupid Governor and true Americans are getting turned down to have money for illegals. This is why California is in so much debt because of all the free programs illegals take advantage of. ILLEGAL is just that. If we did something illegal we would be in jail. But I guess you don’t care where your tax dollars go.

Exactly what we are talking about. What an American does with their money they have earned is their business. You WORK. How when you are illegal. Some of us Americans who have lost their jobs would love a job. We are here legal and you have our job. We can’t pay for college. Lucky you having a job, a degree and illegal. Only in America. Has it sunk in yet what the Americans are trying to say.

You speak the truth, the US has become stupid. Why? Because you are missing the chance to boost your economy because of your close-mindedness. I am 21 and have lived here “uninvitedly” for 16 years. We came here for a better life and that’s what we got. I attend college and don’t pay a cent. My father makes more than 200,000 a year and still gets tax refunds. We have four cars and are buying our first home, i would say we are doing better than most of you citizens. Why? Because since we are not legal, you can’t control us with your laws, we don’t exist. So until we get deported we will continue as we are. So keep up the stupidity America. =D

agreed.

Fair enough. Now that you DO presumably have the intelligence to know that you are here illegally, please leave.

“Because you are a citizen of the United States of America you have no clue of how difficult it is to become a legal resident”

Legal immigrants know exactly how difficult it is. The rest of us, can only guess.

You are attempting to appeal to a sense of morality and principal. The only principal adhered to by one who would sneak in uninvited, is “you have it, I want it”.

*I* shouldn’t have to wait in line like everyone else. How am *I* expected to live? Why am *I* forced to live illegally.

One thing is certain. Our system has certainly instilled a sense of entitlement of not “love”.

Manny, if somebody is a legal resident of this nation, and they need help, you want the rest of our own citizens to hate them?  rather than to give more free hand outs to people who are 1. breaking our law by being here illegally, and 2. can’t legally get a job even if they graduate college because they are ILLEGAL.  So, in your mind… we should hate our own downtrodden citizens but give freely to the citizens of another country?  is this what you are saying? 

who says Bobeast hasn’t?  I am a proud American citizen and I do not believe that giving free hand outs to citizens of MEXICO is very sensible… our state is BROKE already, and now we want to help out the very same people who are already breaking the laws of our land?  and you find that closed minded?  if I were to head to Mexico right now, would they give me free hand outs and treat me better than their own citizens?  nope.  Didn’t think so.  Having a closed or open mind has nothing to do with it… it’s fiscally irresponsible to give free hand outs to people who can’t even legally obtain a job in our country once they do graduate.  How much more idiotic can you get?

Get OFF of your school and get in the classroom. You need a bit more education.  Learn proper word useage, dear.

they don’t do it that way in Mexico, do they?  so why would you expect anybody to do it for you here?  stop thinking that you are entitled. you are not an American citizen.  You are BREAKING OUR LAW

umm, the Africans sold out their own, Simon.  Who do you think the white men bought the slaves from??? that’s right… the AFRICANS. They were already slaves in their own country.  Don’t bring your african b.s. into this.  your ignorance is showing

So you are making more excuses for illegals coming to American and breaking it’s laws.  Beautiful.  And you wonder why we don’t want the illegals here.  My family immigrated from Ireland.  LEGALLY.  Was it easy?  no.  My family was strong and determined.  The illegals are weak criminals.  They do not deserve free hand outs. They deserve the chance to go back to mexica and make a go of it there. 

May WE remind YOU that it’s the illegals that are bringing the narcotics and the criminals here, to our country.  If we give illegals free hand outs, it would not only be rewarding criminal behavior, and really.. what’s the point?  they can’t get a legal job once they do graduate college (which, by the way… I am an American citizen and would love for my kids to go to college…and here you come beliving yourself to be entitled?  I dont hardly think so) … they are still ILLEGALS!  not law abiding citizens.. but law breaking immigrants.  California is BROKE because our citizens are trying to bear the burden of all of the illegals and the free hand outs they think they deserve.  We can’t afford you anymore!  You have to go back to your own country!  Stop burdoning ours!!!

I agree with you 100%  Nobody is entitled… Especially somebody is not even a legal citizen.  Nobody owes them anything… Except their parents.  The criminal parents are to blame.  I have no sympathy

sales tax does NOT count as “paying taxes”  you are undocumented and illegal.. that means you DO NOT pay taxes to our nation. you live here for free.  My family immigrated here legally. Don’t tell me, or any other citizen of this nation, how hard you have it.  Our children are now being elbowed out of line for an education to make way for you.  You, an illegal …. think that you are entitled just because you criminal parents brought you here illegally.  Blame them, not us.  We did nothing to you.  You are breaking the laws of OUR land.  You are trying to take from our kids… and you want our sympathy?  You won’t get it.  My kids come first in my country.  They come before you, and you want me to believe you are more entitled than they are?  Get lost.  In mexico.

very well said. 

No, you really don’t help us out at all.  You take our jobs and now you want to take our children’s education.  You DO NOT pay taxes!  Sales tax DOES NOT COUNT!  If you are undocumented, that means you are not paying taxes.  You bring crime, drugs, and you are financially bankrupting the state of California who are trying to bare the load of you.  Get your facts straight!  and then get to Mexico where you belong.  You are not wanted here. 

Carlos… it is you that needs to check your facts.  You are rude, and you are absolutely wrong.  Please don’t tell the American’s how they should spend their hard earned money.  If you don’t earn it, you shouldn’t have access to it, Carlos.  You want what I have earned legally?  You are breaking the laws of my land and you want what I have made for myself and my kids?  And you want to make excuses and use your ignorant stats to try and make your case why you are entitled to it?  I have 3 words for you and the first one is “Kiss My ___”  you get the hint.  California is BROKE becuase of the illegal immigration influx.  What do you not understand??? we can’t afford them anymore!  let their families pay for their tuition.  It’s not MY job to pay for the criminal’s kid!  I think Jennifer DOES deserve themoney, since it is SHE that earns it.  You are typical Carlos.  and this is why we are sick to death of you and your kind.

You can see, by both Carlos’ response, as well as Chicana’s… this is how they are raised. This is their mindset.  I know you will try to argue differently with me, but in all honesty.. this is their attitude.  We are entitled, you stole from us, you owe us… and if you don’t like it… we will call names, and commit crimes against you.  It’s typical behavior. 

they are the same way here.. you must live in So Cal too.  Illegals.. they come here, work for cash (meanwhile we are all unemployed), don’t pay taxes, send their money back to their family in Mexico and they fly their Mexican flag outside of their home and on their cars, with no American flag in sight.  They sell drugs on the corner, they commit crimes by the minute and now they are protesting they they DESERVE a free education.  (My kids don’t get a free education)  … they are ENTITLED.  Sorry, I have no sympathy, and I am sick to death of them, with their hand out, expecting me to fork over more of MY hard hearned money for their kids. 

well, you are dead wrong.  My aunt has worked for the Southern California welfare department for over 30 years.. guess who collects more welfare benefits than anybody else?  you got it… illegal aliens.  they work for cash, pay no taxes and they have baby after baby, and they receive cash aid, food stamps, medical, dental… the works.  You’re either lying thru your teeth, or you are just plain wrong.  I live next door to a girl who came here illegally 15 years ago.. she still speaks NO English. She now has 3 kids and drives a nicer car than I do….She rides off my back and I have to just bend over and take it.  So you believe you are entitled to anything and everything just because your criminal parents snuck you into my country?  One NATION under God.  Not 2 nations… 1 nation.  America.  Our citizens should be who we take care of… not the citizens of other countries…. the jobs you take are jobs WE could have.  if you werent breaking our laws. But you are.  and now you want to make excuses.  I want justice for myself and my fellow citizens.. Mexico can worry about it’s own citizens… we don’t need that burden.  Everything here is really messed up because illegal aliens have leaked into our country and messed things up.  Without the burden of YOU, we would be able to focus and concentrate on our own citizens… but now you feel that we need to give you MORE MORE MORE… you take and we are expected to apologize to you and give you more.  Blame your criminal parents.. .but don’t put the blame on us. 

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding.  Truly. ”It’s not their fault that they are smarter than you people”.  Do you actually believe this?  The illegal immigrants are getting a free education, while the deserving American’s are getting jilted. And you feel that it’s due to their superior intelligence???  When Mexico is able to produce, invent, succeed at ANYTHING AT ALL, then maybe you can try to use the intelligence argument. But the fact of the matter is, Mexicans are an ignorant race.  They suck off of others in order to get by.  Almost like a parasite.  No, they are not more intelligent. They are just illegal, and therefore.. they feel that they deserve more. They bring to this country nothing but crime, drugs and stupidity.  And you, darling, are a prime example of the stellar intelligence of your people. 

“the education system remains the same”??? what??? are you being serious?  Studies show that, in the state of California, the education system has been deteriorating slowly since the 1950′s.  Schools are dumbing down it’s students, and with many students who only speak Spanish and classes that are slowed down in order to accomodate the Spanish speakers, yes.. our education system has taken a HUGE hit due to the influx of illegal immigrants.  To believe differently is ignorant and naive.

well put, and I could not agree with you more.  They will try to accuse you , blame you and make excuses for their ILLEGAL behavior, but the fact remains.. they have ruined our state of California and will soon spread out to ruin more.  Once California is broke and cannot take care of them anymore, they will move in more…. like a plague.  And the liberals of this silly state have allowed them to do it.  Our kids suffer, our wallets suffer and our jobs are lost… and they keep denying denying denying…. as if it weren’t happening RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR FACES! 

When your job is lost, when your kids school is teaching in spanish and when your money is going to assist and aid illegal immigrants, you don’t need Glenn Beck or anybody .. you see it. In your face. Day after day.. and eventually, you get pretty sick and tired of the “you owe me” and “Im entitled” attitudes of those who break our laws and don’t belong here. 

I am right there with you… I cannot wait to get out of California.. but Im afraid the plague of roaches will keep spreading inward as state after state goes broke trying to pay for them. 

It is not the tax payers resonsibility to pay for illegal citizen’s higher education.

This is pure insanity.
No other country on the planet does anything for illegals other than escort them to the border.
Now my taxes have to pay for this?
If you were brought here as an infant, join the military and earn your citizenship.

And for the record, my father’s side has been here since before there was a USA, and my mother’s side came in legally through Ellis Island.

HOW UNFORTUNATE that the author of this article didn’t do any research on the federal DREAM Act and/or is misleading her readers. The DREAM Act does NOT require enlistment in the “military.” The bill specifically allows for work in the “uniformed services” which, as the bill’s authors fully understand, does not include only military service. Work at the Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration would qualify.

Furthermore, this journalist/activist doesn’t want you to know that there is NO requirement that Dream Act recipients actually graduate from college. As written, the bill would allow an illegal alien to attend college for two years, and then drop out… and that would be sufficient to acquire U.S. citizenship.

The media loves to spread lie after lie after lie. And they wonder why people hate them.

Thanks for your interest, REALITY CHECK. Though for the record, full versions of the bill http://media.scpr.org/documents/2010/12/08/DREAM_12-1.pdf have been posted on this site for some time, available to anyone who wants to take the time to read the details.

Ok morons, there’s a HUGE difference between the immigrants of the 19th century along with their descendants, and the ILLEGAL immigrants of the 20th and 21st centuries along with their descendants….one came legally after travelling an arduous journey across the Atlantic fucking ocean for a year and still willing to legally immigrate, learn the history and language, and encourage their children after them to do the same. The ones of today ARE nothing but common criminals that sneak in here, seeking a better life or not, do it LEGALLY. The children of illegal immigrants need to stop blaming us and our government and start blaming their CRIMINAL PARENTS! We are already in enough debt, take care of our own first, sorry, but Mexico, Ireland, Canada, and any other country on earth would do the same!

shut up i can tell you know nothing about the history of this country 

hell yeah 

r u native american let me guess nope shame on u so white were n will always illegal too but the white trash take over this country that one time was part of mexico so its time to take our land bakk n i dnt give a fukk if u like that or not?

who gives a fuck about ur stupids laws NOBODY

bitch please this country is full of mexicanos and guess wat we aaint leaving dis shitty azz country because it was part of mexico before the white trash like urself take over dis place so we gonna take our land back haha learn ur own country history before u talk shit dumb bitch

just do the world a favor n kill yourself already talking shit for no reason no wonder why european ppl hate white people or americans n guesss hoe i was born here im part italian so shut the fuck up already!!

haha  u r stupid bitch ive ever meet shame on u white trash white trash white trash dont ever forget that kus that is wat u are

It looks like Mexicans can’t spell or write properly. You write like a preschooler. Why should anyone fund your education? You would just make our standards go down because everyone else has to slow down to accommodate for your mental deficiency.

Some people came to this country legal,such as marry, and then bad thing has happened to his or her and turned them to illegal in this country,it wasn’t their fault.What’s about  some of your people (citizen here ) so lazy,live their lives on welfare and do nothing,or they do are use drug,smoke cigarette,marijuana,and using another people taxes payer money.It’s good people..hah.Yes,it’s right because you were born here or got a citizen here,it doesn’t mean you are better than an illegal people.Some of illegal who has living here try very hard to survive.You Americans citizen should give a chance to illegal people who has a hardship.

It has some people who came here to marry,after married, she’s not even get her green card yet,but her husband dumped her and ran around with a hooker,that is not even her fault and she  has two children came with her.She couldn’t do anything and not even money to go back to her country back then.Her family has applied green card for her.She has been waiting for her green card for over ten years,still doesn’t get it yet,immigration has approved but state does not approve yet.AMERICAN people should give this person a chance.Now she has her own family but she’s afraid to get marry and her case might change.Can I asked you a question?Should you American people give her a chance ?

Mexico, starting from it’s government down to its simplest people, is morally repugnant. 

This Dream Act is so stupid. For those illegal immigrant that posted here, “YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF”. Any supporter of this Dream Act should be ashamed of yourself. I’m an immigrant myself. (LEGALLY) I wanted a better life that’s why I came to the US. I’ve been here for over 10 years and not yet get my green card, but will get it soon through the company I work for. All this time that I’ve been in the US, I paid a lot of money to keep my status as LEGAL IMMIGRANT. USA provided a lot of means for you to come here legally, and if you were brought here illegally there are ways to change that to LEGAL. You just have to work hard to find the best solution for your situation. If there is no possible way for you to obtain your legal status, and if education is so important to you then save up your illegally earned money and go to college. You already got free education all the way to 12th grade, and the cheap in-state tuition fee.(Compare to $300+ per unit that legal international student have to pay) What more do you want? 
From where I came from, we ask the owner of the house for a permission to enter their home. If they said ‘yes’ then we can enter. If they set rules for us to follow while we are in their home, we follow. We will not take anything that belongs to the owner or his family. 
We call those people who sneak into other people’s home uninvited and take away owner’s belongings ‘THIEF’. 
May be this Dream Act should be called Thief Act. 

i just wanna say that i was born here but my parents took me to their country so could speak Spanish, anyways when i came back i had friends 5 of them were us citizens, one undocumented, and one with visa. the undocumented one had a GPA of 4.0 amazing! the one with visa had a GPA of 3.5, one citizen had a GPA of 2.5 the rest had it like 1.3 or less, and they consume drugs, alcohol, etc. so basically Mexico and other countries aren’t the ones to blame for the drugs and stuff, people here are the ones consuming that stuff, and prove me wrong, but some people here in this country intentionally brought this people here by buying drugs to Others countries, witch give the cartel money and power to kill, slave any person, etc………. so before saying something make sure you know what u talking about have a nice day       

So you’ve admitted that you and your family are “uninvited” residents of the US. Your father makes over 200k/yr without a social security number (since you “don’t exist”) which makes me wonder what he does for a living – drug dealer? Coyote? 

So here is how i see it, americans say that illegals are taking away their jobs. Most “illegals” work their asses off cleaning restroooms sometimes even wiping off shit from the toilets sometthing that people can do by themselves, doing “rich” peoples front yards or gardens in the blazing heat sometimes, pick up trash, clean their houses, and americans say they are stealing their jobs??? I DONT THINK MOST AMERICANS WOULD EVER DO THAT OR ATLEAST STAND IT! Yeah, they may come here illegally, but they work hard to give their family food, clothing and shelter, not just sittng their asses down on a chair staring at screen, they actually do work, they sweat, many times working so hard they dont have time to eat. Seriously, id like to see an american do that.

Its not Illegals fault, it was the previous governers fault, and what is he an AMERICAN!!!

Yeah blame illegals for selling drugs, but what do your children do with all the money you give them? They buy the drugs! they can easlily walk away from them but since they got the money they buy it. How about you try cleaning off someone elses shit off the toilets or off your own house, thats what alot of illegals do to get money, and not because they want to but because they have to in order to bring in money to their families.

CA FAFSA (the financial aid application) is due in March. So seeing as you posted in October you friend who applied last month missed the actual deadline by about 6 months. This is probably why (if these folks actually exist) they did not receive financial aid.

Financial aid is not for illegal immigrant i know for a fact! Im 17 and i got smuggled here without knowing i was and immigrant, i just cant go back to Mexico because of how many people are being killed. Second of all my family pays taxes that goes toward financial aid for your American children. Thirdly the Dream Act has not been signed the only bill signed by our governor is that for PRIVATE funds NOT government or state funds. Thirdly i have not heard of any programs that only benefit immigrants if there is then please point into the right direction. Mam/ sir im sorry to say this but your comment is completely full of ignorance, and it upsets me. please get your facts straight before you go on a ranting spree

look whose talking about standards? someone whose sell themselves with provocative names? yeah no. Your so narrow minded Mexicans are not the only immigrants America also has a big problem with Asian immigrants. Yeah Asians! The Geniuses who have to lower their standards for people like you

I’ve volunteered at a Welfare office and they offer job training and Jobs for those needy. instead they decide to live off of food stamps and welfare. yeah i don’t understand why they’re so needy if they get the help

how many Citizens do you see working in the blazing sun from 5 in the morning to 8 at night?  private funds are the ones given to us immigrants. and honestly sweety on my behalf i have feasted on your catering of education and used it to the maximum resource. but i in honesty haven’t feasted because my parents, like many other parents, have paid taxes. therefore i am entitled to receive this education that many Americans don’t take advantage of.

please sir show your citation if your are so confident in these studies. i don’t think schools are dumbing down for Asians. yes many Asians are also immigrants citation: http://www.asian-nation.org/immigrant-stats.shtml. second of all there are many of us immigrants who speak English fluently, sometimes even better than Americans. 

your daughter wants a job?tell her to go to the fields and pick strawberries under the blistering sun…tell her to go to a farm and get a job because trust me those jobs need to be filled but im sure she wont..why?because what she wants is a nice job where you get paid a decent amount and where she can call in sick and take the day off or where she can get a damn water bottle when shes been working day and night if they both want a job then like i said there’s always the fields  its like that song goes…you cant be a pimp and a prostitute too

yea actually we do pay taxes..u ever heard of a ITIN number?look it up and as for drugs and crime umm well if your country was our umber one customer we would be making it, we supply & you demand and also Mexico’s cartels would like to thank you for supplying us with  guns

no, they probably didn’t give you the scholarship because you weren’t what they were looking for.your talking about this scholarship thing like there’s only one scholarship in the whole entire world,I think someone needed to look harder.so I am wondering…do you treat all your undocumented students bad? I thought teachers weren’t suppose to be bias?

see the government is funny..they do all they can to make it super hard to get a job yet they make it soo easy to take away money from ppl…irregardless of your status..undocumented people don’t need a ssn because the government gave them a special number that any undocumented person can get…i believe its called an ITIN with this number they can file taxes that are taken from them and they can get a bank account in banks that take away money seriously 5 dollars to keep an account open?wow i mean its not a lot but jeez when a person cant make a lot its alot of money taken away but anyways yea they do pay taxes

they didnt ask for an itin when i qualified for AB540 they just asked for a hs diploma some bills and an affidavit and no you cant buy a house with itin

you can talk smack about carlos all you want but your not looking very convincing when your talking without actual information he is right and you can sit there and use your foul language but the information is there.and as for criminals why is it that you acll undocumented ppl criminals and are so mean to them but you just blow off other crimes like dui’s or smoking pot or giving drug addicts needles to shot themselves up with and a place to do it in…yea theres a place that does that and they use government money

ummm your kind of being mean too tho im just saying ya know you dont have to use the word ilegal ..u can say undocumented

wait..your talking smack to them for being rude?ahahahahah your being just as rude..no wait…ur being even RUDER then they are plz when you point at some one theres three more fingers pointing back

 umm well if your country wasnt our number one
customer we wouldnt be making it, we supply & you demand.well umm yea there are jobs…they are out in the fields dont say were are taking your jobs because its you who doesnt want to take the jobs available its you who wants to eat all the strawberries but is to lazy to go out and pick em so yea and umm the last time i checked white people sold drugs too and white people use drug.everyone and their mother sell drugs and when your not selling/buying drugs ur making and smuggling in guns into mexico to help kill the people that are trying to stop drugs and no our education isnt free because we still have to pay i mean honestly nothing in this country is free and just because we are here doesnt mean we cant embrace our culture i mean when you or maybe even your kids go or will go to TJ are they gonna be waving our mexican flag?no i didnt think so what you saying is that because we are here we are gonna ignore our roots?

I’m confused. If the citizens of California are funding the education of illegal aliens (excuse me, undocumented students), are the countries in which they are citizens reciprocating by extending education funding to California citizens? I have no issue with Governor Brown or others who choose to fund undocumented students with their own personal funds, if that’s their desire. I take exception when they choose to use my personal funds.

Your parents are responsible for bringing you here, and after  all of these years not finding a way to become citizens, not the U.S government. I am a citizen, I have to submit to all kinds of laws which I do not believe are fair to me and my family, but I do because this is my country. American  citizens and legal immigrants should go ahead of the illegals who are here trying to get money for school;  and it should not be coming from the American and Legal immigrant taxpayers to fund these students.  If you have chosen to live in this country, then respect it, its laws, and its language and learn how to be a part of this dream. Mr. Paul for President. And yes, many immigrants were invited to come because of the many jobs here in steel mills, manufacturing, etc. Business needed workers, and not just to pick fruit.

Financial assistance in higher education should be given to those who DESERVE it, regardless of legal status. I would much rather my tax money go to an undocumented student who is taking challenging course, getting a 4.0 GPA, and receiving high test scores than an American citizen who is barely making it by with a 2.0 and won’t do jack to change it. My college education wasn’t paid for because I belong to a minority group; it was paid for because I worked my butt off in high school.  

Fuck you…..they are ILLEGAL FUCKIN SPICKS

What’s ten times worse than white trash….a fuckin mexican!

Nope…wait a minute ..give her a chance to get on a fuckin bus back to mexico

Go choke on a fuckin taco. You stupid fuckin beaker!

AB13l is coming out of our pockets.  It was passed when we are experiencing our own financial hardships, a Holiday Weekend and Marches going on through out the U.S.  It is being done in increments but now it is coming out of the Citizens of California pockets.  How will we prove the income of Illegals if they work under the table?  How can we verify the true age of the person applying for the Education if we can not ask them?  The parents however must pay rent or are buying a home, paying for Utilities, Cable ect., and if they can have these services they must be making some monies and it should be pursued.   If next the Governor pursues Amnesty, the Citizens of California should be informed ahead of time so that we can voice our opinions.   

If their parents are responsible adults they would have applied for citizenship and made sure their children had also.  Then you would know they want to be here and become citizens in the right way and above all that their children do so, so that they will have all the benefits of an American citizen.  We provide that path, we provide free Engilsh classes for parents, we provide free public school education for their children and provide health care to them when needed.  They can receive discounted utility bills, the WIC program, mental health, HUD, but when the Governor starts pushing for more and more we have a right to question his motives.   

Rather than be upset for all your stupid comments, I laugh…. you bobeast, and all other that presumably said that American please just get your facts correct and than Judge people… 
This country was forced on Can do force and it does apply to anything and everything….
I seen many white Americans collecting welfare at young age or mid 30′s yet I seen many Mexicans working to earn a dollar as young as 13…… everyone has the opportunity to do anything they want in this country…Furthermore do not forget this state was # 5 in the world in economic, guess who took the money and run with it… yes the AMERICAN… many of your friends and your friend’ father or uncle (which by the way are White Caucasian American), took the money from you and your father and my family…. why just because they were White American….. Your dad and your dad’s friend sold mortgage loan to American, Mexican, Blacks,  alike with no remorse.. now your going to come with this b…crap that Mexican can’t have the opportunity (nothing else), to educate them self and be better Citizen (in general),  If all of you (Racist), were/are not that ignorant you could understand that educated people illegal or legal, citizen or not, could be better citizen and look as what this is action is a positive advance in this state, economic, education and culture 

The government went corrupted in the USA those student who illegal here are here cause of there parent but those who came thru the border legally that would be unffair for them cause they struggle to cross legally, look at the economy who is the governer going to pull out $45 million dollar if california has no money it the oppisite where in debt govorner brown is going to make california go bankrupt, plus those who don’t know all the federal and state programs where made for citizen and resident
Welfare was made for citizen who were poor and living on the street, that also goes for food stamps, medical, and wic, wic was created for citizens baby that were born and didn’t have nothing there babies to eat and as well for the mother
Now a day they give it to anyone who barely comes from their country illegally and come straight out to the welfare or food stamp who come they don’t protest in their country so their govorment would help them instead of demanding stuff where there are not legal, there trying to take the right of citizen

YES!!! at last I find someone with reason in here. I am in the same place, and I agree people have to get their facts straight before they start insulting people. That is what we have google for if they they are ignorant than it is because they wan to be.

You can say “this”, you can say “that”, defend Americans, defend Undocumented Immigrants…etc. The cold hard truth that is growing and growing in the minds of Americans, is that, this country was founded as a foreign land with Europeans and slowly its turning back into one except this time it’s going to be filled with hispanics, latinos, asians, middle easterns…etc you name it. I will be here. This country is gonna be TAKEN OVER! PERIOD!!! Hate it or love it!

why does everyone keep implying that all illegals are Mexican? WTF, hate much?

Did you guys ever learn HISTORY?
Nearly
half of the population of the United States can trace their roots to
Ellis Island, the point of entry to the land of the free and home of the
brave. A melting pot for all races seeking asylum from tyranny and
wanting a better way of life for their families.

Immigrant- one who
establishes a home in a new country, a pilgrim, colonist, homesteader,
pioneer and settler. Sound familiar? I believe the native American was
the first homesteader. From the beginning America was a refuge for
anyone seeking to BETTER HIMSELF.

One nation under God,
with liberty and justice for all ! But is it really? Or is it really a
place for the strongest to survive, the smartest to suceed and the most
competitive to win at any cost? Did our ancestors not murder and cheat
the Native Americans out of their land, did they not enslave the African
American and end up killing one another to keep them in servitude
during the civil war?  PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE A HISTORY CLASS

EVERYONE IS AN IMMIGRANT

Don’t argue with ignorant people, they’ll just lower you to their level and beat you with their experience.

“AB131 would give illegal immigrants access to that aid, even though they legally cannot obtain a job in the United States after graduation. It makes no sense.”  IT MAKES NO SENSE. DONT GIVE US THE MONEY, LET US WORK FOR OUR EDUCATION, BUT LET US WORK.

Oh and I suppose you are head of the Federal Reserve Bank’s board members. Ridiculous! Talk about America going stupid! If someone is born here they are American. A citizen just like you and me. Dream Act is not for them since they are already American. Dream Act is for children who were not born here. Children of undocumented workers who were brought into this country by their parents, not by choice and who graduated high school or GED. Undocumented workers PAY TAXES! That is why the IRS has ITIN numbers. So that people with no Social Security Number who work and are underpaid can still report and PAY TAXES! The amount of undocumented workers is keeping government types and corporate fat cats rich and the rest poor. Dream act is something that will help an innocent undocumented student become educated and NOT another undocumented slave worker feeding the greedy and taking from the rest of us. So why would you be against Dream act, unless you’re benefiting from the undocumented modern slave worker bit. If you and others seriously think the sole reason for some poor Mexican family to sneak over the border is the distant hope that they’re kids will get financial aid to get into college, then I agree America has become unbearably STUPID!

Some of this comments are so racist :/ ..we latinos/as just simply want help in our education. Just start complaining when the state is helping us in other [stuff] but come on its for our Education its for something good! i know we werent born here or watever but we didnt ask to be brought here its not our fault ,parents just want a good life for us to achieve goals and accomplish dreams..There are some kids that were born here and do u see them taking advantage of their education noooo! they just mess around end up working where? yeah mc donalds ..and us latinos want the chance to get a great education and help our family i dont see anything bad in that, Lets not be racist i thought we were all “brothers and sisters” ONE DAY WE WILL ALL NEED FROM EACH OTHER & no one is gonna care where we are from.

haha wtf we are not trying to take anything from ur kids? jobs? hmm i dont think so cause do u see any mexicans working as a teacher? doctor? etc.? no u dont so dont worry to much ur kids will be fine dont blame us the latinos we are just getting help so stop complaining u (some) americans make a small thing such a big problem.WE ARE JUST RECEIVING A SMALL HELP. “Get lost in mexico?” wow how old are u? u sure dont act like a mature adult u have kids? act like a grown adult .

We do not take your jobs! do u see any mexican working as a teacher? or doctor? nooo! so dont say stupid stuff like that if u want a job go get it and stop putting stupid excuses that we latinos are taking jobs away. we dont want to take no ones education we just want to actually BE SUCCESSFUL in this world we have the right as any citizen in this state ..we still wont be able to work in the US so please dont say stupid shit, we are just getting a little help for education.

i apologize but i am  hispanic myself and actually don’t wish the dream act passes, so dont include everyone as a whole, cus many hispanics as well as legal imigrants are con ! why cnt we use these 40 million dollars anually for more things like OUR social security or for elderly people? this is just a bigger strain for our California budget as well as OUR education. Yes urs and mine, u try to get an education over at another country will they give you any support whatsoever? NO they wont. The dream act is not an act of racism, it actually supports citizens and legal imgrants! people who actually work there ass off to contribute to THIS country and not ppl who just come and want OUR money OUR taxes !

OMG I read some of those comments and their replies
and I can’t believe that some people are so I’ll continue with the word
“narrow minded”……….seriously….do some of you know what the
dream act’s regulations are they aren’t just for u to be
“uninvited”(lol) but have to have graduated school and be enrolled in
a college….and if this is going to make it harder for some of YOU AMERICAN
CITIZENS to get into college or university well guess what it because only the
smart people get to enter college ……so if you don’t get into a college
after the law goes in effect well then you should of studied harder and paid
attention in your A.P. classes no??………and if you say you are Latino and
yet you are against the dream act or don’t like it well I guess you’re not Latino
your MEXICAN AMERICAN…….not JUST MEXICAN OR TRUE LATINO because only Latinos
know how to help each other out…..and it not our fault our parents brought us
in to this country and yes we now value what our parents did for us and to show
them we do appreciate it we continue our education to give OUR family an even
better life than we have…….and yes you should be mad at your people that
get welfare because they were the ones that while you were in school studding
they were goofing off and not paying attention in class and you Americans get
all mad because we (the “uninvited”) want to get a better education
and all we need is a little help to pay for school not thinking that it will
help California in the future when we are able to get a carrier and start
paying taxes………Oh and yes “uninvited” people also pay taxes…surprise……if
that is what some of you are all butt hurt about “oh I pay taxes and you don’t
“boohoo seriously……..oh and yes our parents are responsible and if
they didn’t apply for resident was because they didn’t have the money to
apply…..how many of you Americans know how much( just for the application) do
we have to pay????????Just for the naturalization applications right now is $595 plus $90 biometric fee… and we still
need to continue with all the process and the layer and other expense that go along…..
So besides many other things I have to say the last thing that I am going to
say is at least the governor has the heart to help us because he knows it’s
going to help that state in the long run ………………..so if you didn’t like any of
the things I said well guess what comment back and I’ll answer and that also
means that the truth hurt your sorry ass cause the truth hurts but it hurts
more to admit to it…..

Learn how to spell usage.

they want in state tution but, they havent had to work or put anything into the system. they are not a citzen. i understand that their parents brought them here, but they have known they were  were undocumented thier whole life and as a adult they could have taken steps to make it right. If they wanted to be American they wouldnt be trying to change our whole system to what they want.

they want in state tution but, they havent had to work or put anything into the system. they are not a citzen. i understand that their parents brought them here, but they have known they were  were undocumented thier whole life and as a adult they could have taken steps to make it right. If they wanted to be American they wouldnt be trying to change our whole system to what they want.

doubtful, and guess  if it wasnt apart of america u wouldnt have a place to come to. when u takeover and america has pulled out and mexico takes over there will be no welfare or assistance. you will be in the same boat u were before. only next time it wont be as easy.

doubtful, and guess  if it wasnt apart of america u wouldnt have a place to come to. when u takeover and america has pulled out and mexico takes over there will be no welfare or assistance. you will be in the same boat u were before. only next time it wont be as easy.

no, but African peoples king sold them to America, and it is not the same. the undocumented immigrants came here willing and are now demanding rights that the constatuiton gives to american ciztens. they are not and have no desire to  become one. they broke the law and they are not being punished but rewarded , with my sweat and briuses to pay for there so called american dream

no, but African peoples king sold them to America, and it is not the same. the undocumented immigrants came here willing and are now demanding rights that the constatuiton gives to american ciztens. they are not and have no desire to  become one. they broke the law and they are not being punished but rewarded , with my sweat and briuses to pay for there so called american dream

i agree, however these children have been here all there lifes and are of age and know the law. they can make it right if they chose
 

i agree, however these children have been here all there lifes and are of age and know the law. they can make it right if they chose
 

Thst were you are wrong im an undocumented student and ive found ways to work and sustain my stay in a junior college, and yes ive payed my taxes and so have millions of other students problem is many of this undocumented students have to way of waiting documents, precess which became harder right after  9/11, but its facts the people against it dont know or dont research, ignorance isnt always bliss.

Thst were you are wrong im an undocumented student and ive found ways to work and sustain my stay in a junior college, and yes ive payed my taxes and so have millions of other students problem is many of this undocumented students have to way of waiting documents, precess which became harder right after  9/11, but its facts the people against it dont know or dont research, ignorance isnt always bliss.

i hate to differ but isnt the future of California the problem here? and so ignorant to say that many Hispanics are cons, so are Caucasian, blacks, and others, your comment is of utter most ignorance. if you were truly Hispanic you would understand what this means for millions of students that want the same chance other wasting their lives have, sure the social security for the elderly is an issue, but isnt securing the future of California with more motivated professionals a better long term plan for the well being of the state or the country?

i hate to differ but isnt the future of California the problem here? and so ignorant to say that many Hispanics are cons, so are Caucasian, blacks, and others, your comment is of utter most ignorance. if you were truly Hispanic you would understand what this means for millions of students that want the same chance other wasting their lives have, sure the social security for the elderly is an issue, but isnt securing the future of California with more motivated professionals a better long term plan for the well being of the state or the country?

Hispanic kids that have been raised here most of their life should be given the opportunity to go to college. I do not see what the big deal is about them being legal or illegal because in the end we are all humans. Besides American kids do not take advantage of their opportunities instead they end up dropping out of high-school or graduating but still making nothing of themselves. So instead of throwing away all those opportunities why not give them to those Hispanic Kidd that do want to use them. You never know one of those “illegal immigrants” could be the next doctor to save your life or the next lawyer to get you out of trouble. I’m just saying quit being a bunch of racist ignorant people because they are not taking your money or anything of yours if anything it will help this country improve in many ways!

Hispanic kids that have been raised here most of their life should be given the opportunity to go to college. I do not see what the big deal is about them being legal or illegal because in the end we are all humans. Besides American kids do not take advantage of their opportunities instead they end up dropping out of high-school or graduating but still making nothing of themselves. So instead of throwing away all those opportunities why not give them to those Hispanic Kidd that do want to use them. You never know one of those “illegal immigrants” could be the next doctor to save your life or the next lawyer to get you out of trouble. I’m just saying quit being a bunch of racist ignorant people because they are not taking your money or anything of yours if anything it will help this country improve in many ways!

Sooooo much hate everywhere.

 I know many illegal immigrants, who abuse the system, but I
also know many illegal immigrants who work hard in the fields, get paid low
wages, and get taxed (YES PEOPLE, THEY DO GET TAXED, NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES’
TAXES). On the other side, I know many citizens who work hard and are being
denied the aid they deserve; however, I do know many others (citizens) who
abuse the system more than illegal immigrants (they were born here; they know
the system very well). Allow me to introduce you to some of the people I have
met: Caucasian female (my neighbor), she gets “disability”, food
stamps, and section 8, she is also a hooker, drug dealer, and leaves her child
unattended many many times. Police has been called several times and nothing
has ever happened to her. African American classmate: gets financial aid, does
not work because “I don’t have to-I can just get financial aid”,
dorms instead of living with his parents ( who live 15 min away from school),
gets high all the time, has a low G.P.A, and acts like a 15 year-old but is 21.
Lastly, Hispanic (citizen) who sales his food stamps for money, does not work
yet owns a huge truck, couple claims two children on their taxes and get
back more money than what they actually earned throughout the year. IS THE SYSTEM
BROKEN? YES, IT IS. Whose fault is it? OURS, for making it too easy for
everyone to get financial aid (illegals AND citizens). It’s easier to blame
someone else than to admit that some of our beloved citizens are to blame as
much (if not more) as illegal immigrants. Not saying that it’s okay to break
the law, but perhaps, we should look at the entire picture and stop assuming.
Insulting people who are not part of our group and turning the blind eye when
someone in our group is not achieving will not solve our crisis…just
makes it worse.

Sooooo much hate everywhere.

 I know many illegal immigrants, who abuse the system, but I
also know many illegal immigrants who work hard in the fields, get paid low
wages, and get taxed (YES PEOPLE, THEY DO GET TAXED, NOT TALKING ABOUT SALES’
TAXES). On the other side, I know many citizens who work hard and are being
denied the aid they deserve; however, I do know many others (citizens) who
abuse the system more than illegal immigrants (they were born here; they know
the system very well). Allow me to introduce you to some of the people I have
met: Caucasian female (my neighbor), she gets “disability”, food
stamps, and section 8, she is also a hooker, drug dealer, and leaves her child
unattended many many times. Police has been called several times and nothing
has ever happened to her. African American classmate: gets financial aid, does
not work because “I don’t have to-I can just get financial aid”,
dorms instead of living with his parents ( who live 15 min away from school),
gets high all the time, has a low G.P.A, and acts like a 15 year-old but is 21.
Lastly, Hispanic (citizen) who sales his food stamps for money, does not work
yet owns a huge truck, couple claims two children on their taxes and get
back more money than what they actually earned throughout the year. IS THE SYSTEM
BROKEN? YES, IT IS. Whose fault is it? OURS, for making it too easy for
everyone to get financial aid (illegals AND citizens). It’s easier to blame
someone else than to admit that some of our beloved citizens are to blame as
much (if not more) as illegal immigrants. Not saying that it’s okay to break
the law, but perhaps, we should look at the entire picture and stop assuming.
Insulting people who are not part of our group and turning the blind eye when
someone in our group is not achieving will not solve our crisis…just
makes it worse.

You just don’t understand what it is being poor? Only because you are legal and/or born here. You are spoon fed. Let’s say you were born in a poor country most likely your parents migrate over here. Well wether you like it or not us ” wetback, aliens or what ever you call us” we have the right to be here just like you. And just letting you Know look at your skin. You are an immigrant. Unless you are 100% Native American. We will fight to the end! And don’t come with the bullshit that we steal jobs when you so called Americans are living on the street and asking us for money.

Tell me something. What makes you better than those who politely knock at the door asking for permission to come in?

Should they step aside because YOU have decided you have a right to live in someone else’s country? Contrary to what you may think, you DON’T actually have a right to be here. That is the whole point, and I don’t particularly care how dry your back may or may not be.

Isn’t it funny how often “narrow-mind” is defined as not letting someone else do whatever they feel like doing?

You caught me. Tou win. I’m narrow minded when it comes to illegals. So what? You want respect and acceptance, try earning it like the rest of us.

Not respecting our laws is exactly why you are not welcome.

What the hell is going on in this country. The key word here is ILLEGAL!!! we are giviing away our country and OUR tax dollars.WAKE UP Americans, our country is broke!!!

They have alot of years to become U.S. citizens and don’t do it. STOP STEALING from hard working AMERICANS.

Amen, Betsy! I don’t know you, but I would love to. The Dream Act is just that..an answer to the American Dream. To think that my grandparents on both sides came to America without papers (thus the nasty nicknames given back in the day) and went through the naturalization process to become American citizens.  Because things have gotten so out of hand and the American Dream has been long forgotten, people who live here and are living the so called American Dream, don’t want to share it with anyone else. These children are as entitled to be here as my parents were, when their parents brought them here. I wouldn’t be living the American Dream if not for them! Pass the Dream Act and give all that want to work, be educated and pay taxes, a chance to do just that.

I can answer this question for you. The people these posts are referring to are people who came over with a valid I-94 and were issued a visa by Immigration. With that visa, they were able to secure an ITIN (in lieu of a SSN) that allows them to work in the US. They are REQUIRED to file a 1040 income tax return at the end of the year, just like any other employee, because they are paying taxes..just like any other employee. The only difference on their tax return is that if they are married and all dependants have ITIN’S, they are NOT entitled to EIC. They only get what they earned. The law is set up that way. There is no need to panic, that the people who are coming here to make a better life, are getting any more than they are working for. They cannot get medical benefits without a SSN, neither food stamps. All this ranting is just hateful and unneccessary. I’m happy that Social Security is being built up for us. Remember, without a valid SSN, you cannot draw benefits. It isn’t fair to the people working and paying the taxes, but they are earning much better wages than where they came from. However, we the US citizens will be the beneficiaries of their spoils. Hope this helps.

this is america, the richest, most powerful country in the world. we must provide educations for everyone in our boarders.

cut elsewhere. education should be our priority, regardless of all else.

the best you have is technicalities.
its impossible for this state to provide endlessly. look at how europe has done recently. Gov.t can not indefinitely give.

It’s not about hating it’s about breaking the law. The point is, nether the mother or the child are legal. You can’t break the law and then pretend it didn’t happen and you want benefits from it…some never. There is a different between legal and illegal, legal is and has been welcomed in the United State.

Yes they can, if you do not have the correct documents, you get on the first thing back to your country of origin.
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Yea, and I once own a house now someone else lives in it…so should I go take it back…..GENIUS!!

Yes Africans were sold which was wrong just like illlegals coming into the United States is wrong.

Hahaha take California back. The rest of the country wouldn’t miss it much.